{"id":2970,"date":"2010-02-04T10:13:21","date_gmt":"2010-02-04T17:13:21","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.alertnerd.com\/?p=2970"},"modified":"2010-02-04T10:13:21","modified_gmt":"2010-02-04T17:13:21","slug":"marvel-fangirls","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.alertnerd.com\/?p=2970","title":{"rendered":"Marvel (Fan)Girls"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/alertnerd.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/02\/marvelgirls.jpg\" alt=\"marvelgirls\" title=\"marvelgirls\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-2974\" width=\"400\" \/><\/p>\n<p>I sometimes deliver these pronouncements that make me sound like I&#8217;m permanently stuck in 1999. &#8220;Wow, the internet!&#8221; I&#8217;ll say. &#8220;So goddamn amazing, no?!&#8221; (I imagine myself sporting a too-big dot-com swag tee, Discman headphones jammed over my ears and piping in &#8220;69 Love Songs&#8221; as I&#8217;m saying this, by the way.)<\/p>\n<p>But, look, I&#8217;ve been thinking a whole lot about the internet &#8212; and its amazingness &#8212; recently, thanks to a bunch of virtual kerfuffles and debates, mostly having to do with ladies and comics. I was depressed by the raftload of negativity that greeted the <em>Girl Comics<\/em> announcement*, then perplexed that there wasn&#8217;t <em>more<\/em> negativity towards that sausage fest <a href=\"http:\/\/marvel.com\/news\/comicstories.10914.marvel~colon~_the_heroic_age\">Heroic Age<\/a> image**. I track all of this on <a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/sarahkuhn\">Twitter<\/a>, of course, then follow up with longer outraged\/not-outraged\/outraged-by-the-outrage emails between internet friends. But whatever your feelings on any of these topics, here&#8217;s something I never quite thought about whilst debating them: it <em>seems<\/em> like we&#8217;ve finally moved beyond the &#8220;yeah, girls do read comics!&#8221; portion of the discussion.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Do you know what I mean? I was just thinking back to some of the scandals of yesteryear (ie, like, 2006): remember <a href=\"http:\/\/www.alertnerd.com\/?p=110\">LarsenGate<\/a>? Erik Larsen writes <a href=\"http:\/\/www.comicbookresources.com\/?page=article&#038;id=15231\">this column<\/a>, tons of angry responses (including mine) occur, track the results on <a href=\"http:\/\/womenincomics.blogspot.com\/\">When Fangirls Attack<\/a>? At that point, I did feel like it was necessary to say &#8212; again and again and again &#8212; that, yes, women do read comics. Superhero comics, even. I am one of these women! Hear me roar from behind my massive stack of <em>Authority<\/em> back issues!<\/p>\n<p>The idea that maybe we&#8217;re a little farther along in the conversation in 2010 coalesced for me the other day, thanks to the whole T-Shirt Product Description Incident (&#8230;T-ShirtProductDescriptionGate? Hmm, nah).<\/p>\n<p>Basically, this one merch site, Superhero Stuff, had some totally horrific copy describing <a href=\"http:\/\/www.superherostuff.com\/marvel-heroes-and-avengers\/t-shirts\/marvel-girls-rule-womens-t-shirt.html?itemCd=tswmnsawegirlsrule\">this shirt<\/a>. It was all about how the guy writing said copy was trying to decide which Marvel lady he&#8217;d like to have in his &#8220;harem&#8221; and I don&#8217;t feel like replicating the whole thing, but basically? It was really over-the-top, on-the-nose gross and sexist and quite grandly reinforced the hoary old &#8220;girls don&#8217;t read comics&#8221; thing. (As you can see, it&#8217;s since been changed. But more on that in a sec.)<\/p>\n<p>I <a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/sarahkuhn\/status\/8557209593\">Tweeted about it<\/a> and then other people picked that up and pretty soon, there was all kinds of cool, 140-character commentary flying back and forth. Friends <a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/Lazybastid\">Jeff<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/cyberpilate\">Carla<\/a> had a <a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/Lazybastid\/status\/8560155233\">great<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/cyberpilate\/status\/8560237305\">exchange<\/a> about why &#8220;wooting up&#8221; copy should generally be avoided. Colleen Coover made <a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/colleencoover\/status\/8559557207\">this amazing comment<\/a>, which is just so precise and right on, the most intelligent response I could come up with was, &#8220;Yes, totally!&#8221; (Why don&#8217;t I just say &#8220;totes&#8221; while I&#8217;m at it, eh?) People were pissed off enough to email the site and <a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/superHeroStuff\">@ them on Twitter<\/a> and hey, 24 hours later, the product description suddenly has no mention of harems. Friend Sigrid over at Fantastic Fangirls did a <a href=\"http:\/\/fantasticfangirls.org\/?p=1771\">great write-up<\/a> that documents the whole shebang in detail.<\/p>\n<p>I suppose a bit of changed copy seems like a pretty tiny thing in the grand scheme of the world, but still: I thought it was neat.<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s what&#8217;s even neater, though, and yes, I&#8217;m about to get SO CHEESY. The minute that link started making the rounds on Twitter, there was no debate about &#8220;oh, hey, but do girls read comics? Why should they care?&#8221; I didn&#8217;t feel the need to preface all my statements with &#8220;yes, I&#8217;m a comics-reading lady and&#8230;&#8221; It made me think that maybe the ol&#8217; comics internet has progressed a decent amount since the debates of yesteryear (again: 2006!). It made me think about the amazing variety of kick-ass fangirls whose words I can read and listen to online, people like <a href=\"http:\/\/awesomedbycomics.blogspot.com\/\">Evie Nagy<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.comicsalliance.com\/\">Laura Hudson<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thenerdybird.com\/\">Jill Pantozzi<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.4thletter.net\/\">Esther Inglis-Arkell<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/karenhealey.livejournal.com\/\">Karen Healey<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/ragnell.blogspot.com\/\">Ragnell<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/kalinara.blogspot.com\/\">Kalinara<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/fantasticfangirls.org\/\">Caroline\/Sigrid\/Jennifer\/Anika<\/a>. It made me feel like, these days, it&#8217;s way harder for some clueless person to equate the &#8220;girls reading comics&#8221; thing with &#8220;hey, unicorns!&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>I could be wrong. Maybe something will happen today that will make this post look like the ridiculous rainbows-and-sunshine ravings of an idiot optimist. It is the goddamn internet, after all. And if that happens, well&#8230;at least I&#8217;ve still got this massive pile of <em>Authority<\/em> back issues.<\/p>\n<p>*<em>I&#8217;m sorry, but can we talk about how <em>totally fucking amazing<\/em> the creator line-up for <em>GC<\/em> is? Colleen Coover and G. Willow Wilson and Kathryn Immonen and Amanda Conner and, and, and?! I drooled a little. I suppose my general view is that spotlighting women does not have to equal marginalization and if done right, can be quite awesome. If this book had existed when I was a kid, I would&#8217;ve clawed and shoved all of the other unfortunate comic shop urchins out of the way just to get my grimy mitts on Jill Thompson&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/www.comicsalliance.com\/2010\/01\/07\/girl-comics-2-cover-debut-exclusive\/\">Phoenix\/Kitty Pryde\/Scarlet Witch-highlighting cover<\/a>. Hell, I might still do that. As an adult. You&#8217;ve been warned.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>**<em>Seriously, there is one woman in that image. ONE. Not okay by any stretch of the imagination.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I sometimes deliver these pronouncements that make me sound like I&#8217;m permanently stuck in 1999. &#8220;Wow, the internet!&#8221; I&#8217;ll say. &#8220;So goddamn amazing, no?!&#8221; (I imagine myself sporting a too-big dot-com swag tee, Discman headphones jammed over my ears and piping in &#8220;69 Love Songs&#8221; as I&#8217;m saying this, by the way.) 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